Swans home ground to recieve a $186 million upgrade.

[Xman]

For all that though, they need it for the big pulling games. And the AFL has more of them than the NRL.

10 biggest games at ANZ over the last 3 years

1. 2009 NRL GF 82,568
2. 2010 NRL GF 82,334
3. 2011 NRL GF 81,988
4. SOO II 2011 81,965
5. 2008 NRL GF 80,458
6 NRL Prelim Final 2009 74,549
7.NRL Prelim Final 2010 71,212
8.SOO I 2010 68,753
9.SOO 111 2010 61,259
10.NRL Q/F Final 2011 45,630

AFL.... bumpkis ..... not a sausage

Given the AFL GF is in Melbourne, what about home and away games?

[Raiderdave]

For all that though, they need it for the big pulling games. And the AFL has more of them than the NRL.

10 biggest games at ANZ over the last 3 years

1. 2009 NRL GF 82,568
2. 2010 NRL GF 82,334
3. 2011 NRL GF 81,988
4. SOO II 2011 81,965
5. 2008 NRL GF 80,458
6 NRL Prelim Final 2009 74,549
7.NRL Prelim Final 2010 71,212
8.SOO I 2010 68,753
9.SOO 111 2010 61,259
10.NRL Q/F Final 2011 45,630

AFL.... bumpkis ..... not a sausage

Given the AFL GF is in Melbourne, what about home and away games?

what has the AFL GF got to do with ANZ ?

and any way
H&A ?


our 3 biggest at ANZ in 2011 attracted 91,476
average 30,582

the Swans ...their 3 played there attracted 91,160
average 30,386


1.AFL Swans V Collingwood 38,053
2.NRL Bulldogs V Dragons 34,322
3.NRL Parramatta V Bulldogs 30,687
4.AFL Swans V Essendon 28,082
5.NRL Canterbury V Tigers 26,737
6.AFL Swans V St Kilda 25,025

[Xman]

10 biggest games at ANZ over the last 3 years

1. 2009 NRL GF 82,568
2. 2010 NRL GF 82,334
3. 2011 NRL GF 81,988
4. SOO II 2011 81,965
5. 2008 NRL GF 80,458
6 NRL Prelim Final 2009 74,549
7.NRL Prelim Final 2010 71,212
8.SOO I 2010 68,753
9.SOO 111 2010 61,259
10.NRL Q/F Final 2011 45,630

AFL.... bumpkis ..... not a sausage

Given the AFL GF is in Melbourne, what about home and away games?

what has the AFL GF got to do with ANZ ?

and any way
H&A ?


our 3 biggest attracted 91,476
average 30,582

the Swans ...their 3 attracted 91,160
average 30,386


1.AFL Swans V Collingwood 38,053
2.NRL Bulldogs V Dragons 34,322
3.NRL Parramatta V Bulldogs 30,687
4.AFL Swans V Essendon 28,082
5.NRL Canterbury V Tigers 26,737
6.AFL Swans V St Kilda 25,025


nuff said

There are some appalling results for the NRL there! The NRL games you listed were local derbies involving two Sydney teams. So effectively 1 AFL team plus a few traveling AFL fans draws as much as 2 NRL teams in Sydney.

[Raiderdave]

Given the AFL GF is in Melbourne, what about home and away games?

what has the AFL GF got to do with ANZ ?

and any way
H&A ?


our 3 biggest attracted 91,476
average 30,582

the Swans ...their 3 attracted 91,160
average 30,386


1.AFL Swans V Collingwood 38,053
2.NRL Bulldogs V Dragons 34,322
3.NRL Parramatta V Bulldogs 30,687
4.AFL Swans V Essendon 28,082
5.NRL Canterbury V Tigers 26,737
6.AFL Swans V St Kilda 25,025


nuff said

There are some appalling results for the NRL there! The NRL games you listed were local derbies involving two Sydney teams. So effectively 1 AFL team plus a few traveling AFL fans draws as much as 2 NRL teams in Sydney.

NRL crowds in Sydney continue to rise ...
AFL crowds in Sydney .... continue to Fall.... despite the Swans being in the top 8 all year

15 years ago those NRL crowds would of been half that big
in 15 more maybe they'll be twice as big again

a growing game is NRL in Sydney as culture changes
a failing one is AFL as its had its go & no one cares anymore

[Xman]

what has the AFL GF got to do with ANZ ?

and any way
H&A ?


our 3 biggest attracted 91,476
average 30,582

the Swans ...their 3 attracted 91,160
average 30,386


1.AFL Swans V Collingwood 38,053
2.NRL Bulldogs V Dragons 34,322
3.NRL Parramatta V Bulldogs 30,687
4.AFL Swans V Essendon 28,082
5.NRL Canterbury V Tigers 26,737
6.AFL Swans V St Kilda 25,025


nuff said

There are some appalling results for the NRL there! The NRL games you listed were local derbies involving two Sydney teams. So effectively 1 AFL team plus a few traveling AFL fans draws as much as 2 NRL teams in Sydney.

NRL crowds in Sydney continue to rise ...
AFL crowds in Sydney .... continue to Fall.... despite the Swans being in the top 8 all year

15 years ago those NRL crowds would of been half that big
in 15 more maybe they'll be twice as big again

a growing game is NRL in Sydney as culture changes
a failing one is AFL as its had its go & no one cares anymore

Hmmm according to my data the NRL had higher attendances in 2005 than last year. Who's crowds are falling?

[Raiderdave]

There are some appalling results for the NRL there! The NRL games you listed were local derbies involving two Sydney teams. So effectively 1 AFL team plus a few traveling AFL fans draws as much as 2 NRL teams in Sydney.

NRL crowds in Sydney continue to rise ...
AFL crowds in Sydney .... continue to Fall.... despite the Swans being in the top 8 all year

15 years ago those NRL crowds would of been half that big
in 15 more maybe they'll be twice as big again

a growing game is NRL in Sydney as culture changes
a failing one is AFL as its had its go & no one cares anymore

Hmmm according to my data the NRL had higher attendances in 2005 than last year. Who's crowds are falling?

2005 Sydney Average 15,914
2011 Sydney Average 15,344

the Sydney average from 15 years ago ...9,689

2005 Sydney finalists ...6
2011 Sydney finalists ...4

number of rain affected games in Sydney
2005 i dunno .. 10/108 games
2011... about 40/108

whos crowds are falling
Swans 2007 average 35,632

their 2011 average 26,615

I'd say its the Swans

[Xman]

So you're saying 15344 is higher than 15914?

[NSWAFL]

2005 average 17,337 http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/2005.html
2011 average 17,243 http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/2011.html

[Raiderdave]

So you're saying 15344 is higher than 15914?

I said our crowds have been rising
they have

look at the average from 1995
2011 was a rain affected year with less input from Sydneys bigger clubs

no Parramatta
no Bulldogs

you don't isolate one year & claim a fall
its a trend up or down
NRL in Sydney ... up
Swans in Sydney ... down

[Raiderdave]

the NRL average in sydney in 2006 was 14,455

in 2008 13,780

in 2010 it was .. 15,957 .. the highest ever

trending up ?

yes indeedy do
2011 the record from the year before would have gone.. but for poor weather .. & Sydney's big sides failing

nothing surer

[Xman]

So you're saying 15344 is higher than 15914?

I said our crowds have been rising
they have

look at the average from 1995
2011 was a rain affected year with less input from Sydneys bigger clubs

no Parramatta
no Bulldogs

you don't isolate one year & claim a fall
its a trend up or down
NRL in Sydney ... up
Swans in Sydney ... down

So you pick the time frame to suite yourself?

On the one hand you're using rain as an excuse for lower crowds in Sydney last year. Then youre claiming the swans have dropped in attendance. Didn't the swans also play their home games in Sydney last year?

If youre going to use that excuse for the NRL crowds dropping don't crap on about the swans crowds dropping without allowing for a similar reason.

And don't go on about trends either. You always reference the swans crowds to their peak years when they made the GF! Every team varies in crowd size according to ladder position. Even essendon, one of the powerhouses of the afl had an average crowd of 57k in 1999, then down to 44k in 2010. In 1999 they were 3rd. In 2010 they were bottom 4. They were back up to 49k last year and finished 8th.

What about parramatta? They averaged 23k in 1999. They dipped to an appalling 11k in 2003!! They are still only back to 15k. looks like RL is dying in Paramatta!!

So if you Combine the swans fall from 1st in 2005 with a rain effected season last year of course they are lower in crowds than 2005.

[Raiderdave]

So you're saying 15344 is higher than 15914?

I said our crowds have been rising
they have

look at the average from 1995
2011 was a rain affected year with less input from Sydneys bigger clubs

no Parramatta
no Bulldogs

you don't isolate one year & claim a fall
its a trend up or down
NRL in Sydney ... up
Swans in Sydney ... down

So you pick the time frame to suite yourself?

On the one hand you're using rain as an excuse for lower crowds in Sydney last year. Then youre claiming the swans have dropped in attendance. Didn't the swans also play their home games in Sydney last year?

If youre going to use that excuse for the NRL crowds dropping don't crap on about the swans crowds dropping without allowing for a similar reason.

And don't go on about trends either. You always reference the swans crowds to their peak years when they made the GF! Every team varies in crowd size according to ladder position. Even essendon, one of the powerhouses of the afl had an average crowd of 57k in 1999, then down to 44k in 2010. In 1999 they were 3rd. In 2010 they were bottom 4. They were back up to 49k last year and finished 8th.

What about parramatta? They averaged 23k in 1999. They dipped to an appalling 11k in 2003!! They are still only back to 15k. looks like RL is dying in Paramatta!!

So if you Combine the swans fall from 1st in 2005 with a rain effected season last year of course they are lower in crowds than 2005.

ah
if the Swans crowds falling were isolated .. they could claim the same dispensation as NRL in Sydney last year
but
their crowds have been trending downward , despite consistently good performances

the high mark 2007... 35,632

they've dropped by ova 25%
to 26,615 in 2011

oh dear ...........

[Xman]

I said our crowds have been rising
they have

look at the average from 1995
2011 was a rain affected year with less input from Sydneys bigger clubs

no Parramatta
no Bulldogs

you don't isolate one year & claim a fall
its a trend up or down
NRL in Sydney ... up
Swans in Sydney ... down

So you pick the time frame to suite yourself?

On the one hand you're using rain as an excuse for lower crowds in Sydney last year. Then youre claiming the swans have dropped in attendance. Didn't the swans also play their home games in Sydney last year?

If youre going to use that excuse for the NRL crowds dropping don't crap on about the swans crowds dropping without allowing for a similar reason.

And don't go on about trends either. You always reference the swans crowds to their peak years when they made the GF! Every team varies in crowd size according to ladder position. Even essendon, one of the powerhouses of the afl had an average crowd of 57k in 1999, then down to 44k in 2010. In 1999 they were 3rd. In 2010 they were bottom 4. They were back up to 49k last year and finished 8th.

What about parramatta? They averaged 23k in 1999. They dipped to an appalling 11k in 2003!! They are still only back to 15k. looks like RL is dying in Paramatta!!

So if you Combine the swans fall from 1st in 2005 with a rain effected season last year of course they are lower in crowds than 2005.

ah
if the Swans crowds falling were isolated .. they could claim the same dispensation as NRL in Sydney last year
but
their crowds have been trending downward , despite consistently good performances

the high mark 2007... 35,632

they've dropped by ova 25%
to 26,615 in 2011

oh dear ...........

And in 2005/06 they made the GF! In 2009 they came 12th. See the trend? Downward! 2011 is an anomaly due to a wet Sydney winter. Other than that their crowds are following their ladder position, lagging by a year or so which is understandable.

[Xman]

Looks like RL is dead on the GC!

The titans have steadily dropped in crowds In the last 5 years! Dead and buried.

RL is also dying in Northern QLD. The coboys have steadily dropped in attendance from nearly 21k in 2005 to only 14k last year.

See. rL is dying in its own heartland!

[Raiderdave]

So you pick the time frame to suite yourself?

On the one hand you're using rain as an excuse for lower crowds in Sydney last year. Then youre claiming the swans have dropped in attendance. Didn't the swans also play their home games in Sydney last year?

If youre going to use that excuse for the NRL crowds dropping don't crap on about the swans crowds dropping without allowing for a similar reason.

And don't go on about trends either. You always reference the swans crowds to their peak years when they made the GF! Every team varies in crowd size according to ladder position. Even essendon, one of the powerhouses of the afl had an average crowd of 57k in 1999, then down to 44k in 2010. In 1999 they were 3rd. In 2010 they were bottom 4. They were back up to 49k last year and finished 8th.

What about parramatta? They averaged 23k in 1999. They dipped to an appalling 11k in 2003!! They are still only back to 15k. looks like RL is dying in Paramatta!!

So if you Combine the swans fall from 1st in 2005 with a rain effected season last year of course they are lower in crowds than 2005.

ah
if the Swans crowds falling were isolated .. they could claim the same dispensation as NRL in Sydney last year
but
their crowds have been trending downward , despite consistently good performances

the high mark 2007... 35,632

they've dropped by ova 25%
to 26,615 in 2011

oh dear ...........

And in 2005/06 they made the GF! In 2009 they came 12th. See the trend? Downward! 2011 is an anomaly due to a wet Sydney winter. Other than that their crowds are following their ladder position, lagging by a year or so which is understandable.

thats when Sydneysiders decided .. nup
not interested
because they made the finals in 2010 & 2011.. but the crowds did NOT go up ... they continued their slide
there was no issue with rain in 2010 & even a much improved season .. had no impact on the Swans crowds

get used to it
nothing ... not even a finals birth will stop the Swans crowds dropping even further in 2012
they have had their day
stick a fork in em ... they're done