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SportCapital wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:30 am
pussycat wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:45 am
SportCapital wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:37 pm Every one was doing it. It's just that the Storm, as usual, did it better than the rest.
If the Storm did it better than everyone else then why would they get caught??? Surely this is just another example of dumb arse Victorian disease. :lol:
Have a read of these pussy.
It's the silverware the Storm achieved while in breach that sets them apart imo.
But their penalty was clearly unequally weighted for being Victorian.
Several other clubs had similar breaches and just copped fines.

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The following breaches of the salary cap and salary floor have occurred:[10]

In 1991 it was revealed that the Canberra Raiders had substantially breached their $1.5 million salary cap for the year.[11]
In 2000, the Newcastle Knights were fined $158,800 but did not have any points deducted after club officials revealed that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $454,100 and failed to disclose third-party payments during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
The New Zealand Warriors were fined $100,000 in 2000 for failing to disclose third-party payments made during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
Six other clubs were fined in 2000: Penrith ($80,900), Canterbury ($50,000), Parramatta ($40,000), Melbourne ($24,300), the Sydney Roosters ($12,800) and Cronulla ($6,900).
The Melbourne Storm were fined $89,900 in 2000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $177,400 during the season.
The Brisbane Broncos were fined $84,150 in 2000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $118,300 and were late in lodging documents relating to financial and contract details of 10 players during the season.
In 2001, the North Queensland Cowboys were fined $100,000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $210,000 and failed to disclose third-party payments during the 2000 season.
In 2002, the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined the maximum of $500,000 and deducted all 37 premiership points received during the season after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations described by NRL Chief Executive David Gallop as "exceptional in both its size and its deliberate and ongoing nature" totaling $2.13 million between 2000 and 2002, including $750,000 in 2001 and $920,000 in 2002. The points penalty meant that the club won the 2002 wooden spoon.
The Sydney Roosters were fined $149,150 in 2002 for failing to disclose or incorrect disclosure of third-party payments made during the 2001 and 2002 seasons.
The Newcastle Knights were fined $85,000 in 2002 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $170,000 during the season.
Three other clubs were fined in 2002: Melbourne ($66,700), the Wests Tigers ($58,550) and Brisbane ($57,550).
In 2003, the Melbourne Storm were fined $130,950 but did not have any points deducted it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $25,000 during the season.
Seven other clubs were fined in 2003 after a crackdown in light of the Canterbury scandal the year before: Penrith ($60,000), Newcastle ($40,000), Brisbane ($20,000), South Sydney ($15,250), the New Zealand Warriors ($15,000), and Cronulla and Canterbury ($10,000 each).
In 2004, the Melbourne Storm were fined $120,000 after club officials revealed that their former management had failed to disclose third-party payments made between 2001 and 2004.
In 2004, the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined $82,300 but did not have any points deducted after club officials revealed that they had fallen below the salary floor by $159,600 and were late in lodging documents relating to financial and contract details of a player during the 2003 and 2004 seasons.
Four other clubs were fined in 2004: St George Illawarra ($32,300), Penrith and the Sydney Roosters ($25,000 each), and Canberra ($5,000).
In 2005, the New Zealand Warriors were fined $430,000 and were ordered to start the 2006 season with a four premiership point deficit and cut their payroll by $450,000 after club officials revealed that their former management had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $1.1 million during the 2004 and 2005 seasons. The points penalty meant that the Warriors missed a finals berth in 2006.
Four other clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2005: St George Illawarra ($20,000), Newcastle ($11,100), Canterbury ($8,500) and Canberra ($6,350).
In 2006, the Canberra Raiders were fined $173,200 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $286,400 and incorrectly lodged documents relating to financial and contract details of 12 players during the 2005 season.
Seven other clubs were fined in 2006: Melbourne ($63,250), St George Illawarra ($62,400), Brisbane ($30,000), South Sydney ($28,600), Wests Tigers ($21,250), Newcastle ($19,250), and Cronulla ($5,000).
Six clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2007: South Sydney ($70,150), Wests Tigers ($46,800), Canberra ($45,800), Canterbury ($25,000), Melbourne ($13,900) and Brisbane ($10,000).[12]
Five clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2008: St George Illawarra ($15,200), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,450), Canterbury ($4,650) and Wests Tigers ($3,650).
Seven clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2009: Melbourne ($15,000), Brisbane ($5,000), Canterbury ($3,750), and the Wests Tigers, Penrith, Sydney and the Gold Coast ($2,500 each).
In 2010, officials from the Melbourne Storm revealed that the club had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations between 2006 and 2010. By running a well-organized dual contract and bookkeeping system they concealed from the NRL a total of $3.78 million in payments made to players outside of the salary cap, including $303,000 in 2006, $459,000 in 2007, $957,000 in 2008, $1.021 million in 2009 and $1.04 million in 2010. As a result, the Melbourne Storm were stripped of the 2007 and 2009 premierships, 2006–2008 minor premierships and the 2010 World Club Challenge trophy, and fined a record $1.689 million. $1.1 million in NRL prize money was equally distributed between the remaining 15 NRL clubs, $89,000 in prize money from the World Club Challenge was distributed to the Leeds Rhinos, and the maximum of $500,000 was fined for breaching the salary cap regulations. They were ordered to cut their payroll by $1.0125 million, deducted all eight premiership points received during the season and barred from receiving premiership points for the remainder of the season. The points penalty meant that the club won the 2010 wooden spoon. Legal action by the former directors of the club against the penalties collapsed, and the matter was referred to ASIC, the Australian Tax Office, the Victorian State Revenue Office, and the Victoria Police.[13] The club's former CEO, Brian Waldron, and financial officers Matt Hanson, Paul Gregory and Cameron Vale were all suspended for life.
Five other clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2010: Parramatta ($25,000), St George Illawarra ($22,500), Brisbane ($17,000), Sydney ($7,250) and Canberra ($1,800).[14]
In 2011, the Wests Tigers were fined $187,150 but had no points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $374,300 during the 2010 season.
The Gold Coast Titans ($78,900), Parramatta Eels ($45,000), Canberra Raiders ($31,650), and the St George Illawarra Dragons ($15,700) were also fined for exceeding the salary cap during the 2010 season, while the Titans were also fined for losing documents relating to the financial and contract details of a Toyota Cup player.[15]
In 2012, four clubs were fined for minor breaches: Parramatta Eels ($80,350), Gold Coast Titans ($41,200), Penrith Panthers ($39,650) and the Canberra Raiders ($5,350).[16]
After the 2014 season had ended, St George Illawarra Dragons were fined A$87,000, also the Gold Coast Titans were fined A$300,000 after an investigation into several clubs.
In 2015, Parramatta were fined a total of $465,000 for breaching the salary cap in the 2014 season.[17]
In 2017, Canterbury was fined $61,474 after it was found they had breached the salary cap by $81,965 during the 2016 season. Canberra were fined a total of $84,110. $16,037 of that was for breaches of the second-tier and NYC caps from the 2016 season in addition to a $68,073 fine for breaches of the 2015 NRL and NYC caps.[18]
In December 2017, Manly-Warringah were alleged to have breached the cap, after an investigation by the NRL found discrepancies in their salary cap over a five year period since 2012. The club disputed this. [19]
No matter how much you waffle on. The facts wont CHANGE. They have been the 2nd most popular side since there entrance in the competion.


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No - that is simply not true Pussy. The facts are there. If you choose to discount two of their premierships that's on you - if you makes you feel all warm and fuzz - but the facts are they won those premierships - and no one can deny that. There's pictures of them holding up the cup and the players have the rings.


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Fred wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:56 pm No - that is simply not true Pussy. The facts are there. If you choose to discount two of their premierships that's on you - if you makes you feel all warm and fuzz - but the facts are they won those premierships - and no one can deny that. There's pictures of them holding up the cup and the players have the rings.

Its' not on me Fred , I do not run the competition. I do not make the rules nor do I enforce the rules. The Storm went out of there way to breach the competion rules - were caught - and payed the price.

They broke the rules and as such were stripped of these premierships. You might chose to remember it differently. But history and facts will show they were the 2nd most successful club during this period....


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But they still won the premierships - were the best side and no one can deny that.


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Repeated stupidity, regardless of the facts . Got Victoria written all over it!

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You believe what you want... the rest know the reality.


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pussycat wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:45 pm
Fred wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:56 pm No - that is simply not true Pussy. The facts are there. If you choose to discount two of their premierships that's on you - if you makes you feel all warm and fuzz - but the facts are they won those premierships - and no one can deny that. There's pictures of them holding up the cup and the players have the rings.

Its' not on me Fred , I do not run the competition. I do not make the rules nor do I enforce the rules. The Storm went out of there way to breach the competion rules - were caught - and payed the price.

They broke the rules and as such were stripped of these premierships. You might chose to remember it differently. But history and facts will show they were the 2nd most successful club during this period....
Let me pose a question to you pussy.
Did the sentence fit the crime?


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SportCapital wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:42 am
pussycat wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:45 pm
Fred wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:56 pm No - that is simply not true Pussy. The facts are there. If you choose to discount two of their premierships that's on you - if you makes you feel all warm and fuzz - but the facts are they won those premierships - and no one can deny that. There's pictures of them holding up the cup and the players have the rings.

Its' not on me Fred , I do not run the competition. I do not make the rules nor do I enforce the rules. The Storm went out of there way to breach the competion rules - were caught - and payed the price.

They broke the rules and as such were stripped of these premierships. You might chose to remember it differently. But history and facts will show they were the 2nd most successful club during this period....
Let me pose a question to you pussy.
Did the sentence fit the crime?
definitely!


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So you're saying, you break the rules in a Premiership and or minor premiership year they "definately" should be striped?


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Consolidated NRL Grand Final Ratings added 3k to take its final 5 city total to 2.106m


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Very hard to predict Origin ratings tonight.

been a very low key publicity wise to Origin...


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Yea I didn’t even know it was on until they put it on at squash


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State of Origin I TV Ratings
National average audience: 2.378 million (Metro: 1.598 million / Regional: 780,000).

This national figure is down 25% on the 3.207m for Origin 1 in 2019. Metro figure about the same as Melbourne got for the AFL Grand Final on its own.


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SportCapital wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:58 pm So you're saying, you break the rules in a Premiership and or minor premiership year they "definately" should be striped?
If its an underhanded despicable act of cheating involving a second set of books , theyve gone out of the way to rort the system taking ,than yes. In my opinion they got ofg lightly , there was other awards they won during this period they should have been stripped of of those also. ie. Ben Johnson is not credited with a with winning gold medal when he was on the juice.

The vast majority of other cases you mentioned were oversights and bad accounting practises that the NRL were made aware of. Not Cheating. In the other cases - Canberra, Canterbury, ? appropriate action was taken.


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