I think I see what is happening here. There are actually two arguments happening here and both are correct. Afl people are saying that the swans draw good crowds, indeed generally better crowds than other codes in Sydney . This is true and a cold hard fact based on attendances in Sydney to football ...

I think it was a silly statement , but so too is the comment that afl has no interest on the GC. It has plenty of interest ... From locals, to people who have moved from afl states, to plenty if kids playing the game. But to compare to origin probably not a good marketing ploy as everyone would just...

I think if you had a list of Key Performance Indicators for the year you would tick off membership. On feild success ticked of from last year. Tv ratings ... I think maintaining them at last years levels would be a short term goal ( not sure if they did this) but a 5 year kpi would be to increase th...

You do concede RD that swans membership numbers are pretty good though ?

Doesn't look good for the bombers must say

Why is there no such animosity toward rl in Melbourne or Perth or Adelaide etc?? I wondering it is either one of two things ... Nrl people see afl ad a threat ... Or afl are seen as arrogant and a chip on their shoulder ?? Maybe a bit if both I think.

http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/swans- ... -y4r5.html


Found this ... As can be seen crowds seem to fluctuate but as can be seen compared to when they started averages have certainly increased with natural variance over the years .

Can we get the figures for averages since they have been in Sydney ? It would be easy to pick the best average crowd to compare to however as a statistic that's not really a good way to measure as the variables you have rightly pointed out can influence crowd numbers. What would possibly be more use...

I think the storm are doing okay but no where near the penetration afl is having in Sydney. When I lived in Vic if my son wanted to play rl there simply wasn't a club or competition in the area ... I think the closest club was in berwick . There level of junior clubs in Melbourne is very minimal com...

I think the nrl would love for the storm to have the level of exposure and crowd numbers that the swans have in Sydney surely ?

As mentioned in my post RD , I can see what your saying re : having had higher averages in past (could you post these by the way for swans each year they have been in Sydney) and there may be some merit when looked at in isolation . However how much have those averages dropped ? We know there is alw...

Again though, re crowd numbers ... I think if you turn around and use crowd figures to support a code found well against another code it makes it difficult to then say crowd numbers are irrelevant when commenting on the swans crowds when we already agree they are not expected to have same support as...

True re soccer ... I think I was meaning within western Sydney ... A small geographical area where soccer had a lot if support .

Yeah, I would agree the swans will still need to consolidate their presence and growth to date. I probably disagree re crowds going backwards based on averages given the variables you yourself list as impacting crowds although go agree re tv ratings however as you mention I can't be expected that th...

You could however possibly class the wonders as successful on your definition based on their impact in western Sydney ... They seem to be on par with Nrl.... So it can happen but they had a good base to begin with . I don't think the afl will ever be on par with nrl re: being embraced by city at sam...