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the AFL is
F.ucked
its running around like a headless chook
& the head is firmly jammed up its @rse .... the AFL is keeping more then half its clubs going
but can't sustain this ...........
its a very limited sport ... really only popular in Victoria .. treading water ...a declining national market
other then Tasmania ..........where does it seriously think it can ... relocate ... to
no one wants anything to do with it anywhere else
what a f.ucking mess :D
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 1qdyw.html
GEELONG chief executive Brian Cook says the short-term future of clubs is all but guaranteed, but relocation could be on the agenda once the new broadcast rights deal ends in 2016.
Relocation remains a dirty word, with clubs adamant they have a healthy financial future in their current zones.
However, an analysis of the annual reports of several clubs shows just how much of a fight it is to simply balance the books.
Advertisement: Story continues below Some clubs are labelled as a ''going concern'' by auditors. This does not mean they are insolvent but if not for certain financial guarantees, including the support of banks and the AFL, they would face immense difficulties in staying afloat.
St Kilda, Brisbane Lions, Adelaide and North Melbourne all posted heavy losses in the last financial year. Port Adelaide claimed a profit of $887,971 but that only came after $4 million of special assistance from the AFL and SANFL.
The Western Bulldogs posted a profit of $121,762 but received $1.7 million from the AFL's annual special distribution fund. The AFL has also provided a bank guarantee of $5 million to the club's bankers as security for its borrowing.
Several other clubs, including Melbourne, Richmond and Carlton, also relied on AFL support, and will continue to do so under the league's new funding and equalisation strategy.
The AFL's $1.25 billion broadcast deal, which kicks in this year, means there must be nine matches per round through its duration, almost certainly guaranteeing all clubs remain in their current homes.
But Cook says some tough decisions may be made before the end of the decade.
''You have got the AFL underwriting the competition, basically, that's what is happening,'' he said.
''That's off the back of the five-year broadcast rights that guarantees nine games. Clubs to a large extent have a guarantee for at least five years but [when that expires] where they are located now - that's another issue. You can have your 18 sides but whether everyone stays in the same location is another issue.''
Does he see the day approaching when there will be a forced relocation?
''Over time, maybe. There are probably some crucial trigger dates,'' he said.
''One is the next broadcast rights agreement, whether the AFL will continue to be able to afford to underwrite as many clubs as it can at the moment. We won't know that for five years.
''If the AFL have to choose [a club], it will be interesting who they choose. If they can't underwrite everyone … the AFL may have to pick and choose a bit in terms of what they do.''
North Melbourne, set to begin a three-year contract to play two home matches in Hobart, is adamant this is not the first steps towards relocation. The Kangaroos had originally hoped to broker a deal to play seven matches a season in Launceston and Hobart but that was stymied by Hawthorn, which extended its deal playing home matches in Launceston.
Cook, who presided over a $1 million profit for the Cats last season, said ''cost control'' would be the biggest issue facing administrators.
''The AFL is disequalling distribution in order to make up for that [clubs losing money]. But it is a cost expenditure model that is being promoted in some respects. In trying to reduce the gap between the haves and have-nots, you are actually increasing expenditures to do that. The AFL providing more money to the have-nots is in order for them to catch up so the industry model is very much a cost-expenditure-incentive model which I find a bit intriguing.
''Admittedly, it's balanced up by better management and that is happening all the time. But not everywhere.''
Cook said clubs needed to improve controlling costs and revenue raising.
''Raising revenue is much harder than what people say. The thing about raising revenue is there is this fallacy or belief that you have got to go outside footy to raise more dollars. But none of us are good at it,'' he said.
''I don't know a club that is great at non-core revenue raising. Unless you want to go big on gaming, and that becomes an ethical issue for a lot of clubs, including us, it's not that easy.
''If you can't raise revenue as quickly, you have got to control your expenditures.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... z1kSYFRVmO
its running around like a headless chook
& the head is firmly jammed up its @rse .... the AFL is keeping more then half its clubs going
but can't sustain this ...........
its a very limited sport ... really only popular in Victoria .. treading water ...a declining national market
other then Tasmania ..........where does it seriously think it can ... relocate ... to
no one wants anything to do with it anywhere else
what a f.ucking mess :D
ggoonnneeeeeee...................
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 1qdyw.html
GEELONG chief executive Brian Cook says the short-term future of clubs is all but guaranteed, but relocation could be on the agenda once the new broadcast rights deal ends in 2016.
Relocation remains a dirty word, with clubs adamant they have a healthy financial future in their current zones.
However, an analysis of the annual reports of several clubs shows just how much of a fight it is to simply balance the books.
Advertisement: Story continues below Some clubs are labelled as a ''going concern'' by auditors. This does not mean they are insolvent but if not for certain financial guarantees, including the support of banks and the AFL, they would face immense difficulties in staying afloat.
St Kilda, Brisbane Lions, Adelaide and North Melbourne all posted heavy losses in the last financial year. Port Adelaide claimed a profit of $887,971 but that only came after $4 million of special assistance from the AFL and SANFL.
The Western Bulldogs posted a profit of $121,762 but received $1.7 million from the AFL's annual special distribution fund. The AFL has also provided a bank guarantee of $5 million to the club's bankers as security for its borrowing.
Several other clubs, including Melbourne, Richmond and Carlton, also relied on AFL support, and will continue to do so under the league's new funding and equalisation strategy.
The AFL's $1.25 billion broadcast deal, which kicks in this year, means there must be nine matches per round through its duration, almost certainly guaranteeing all clubs remain in their current homes.
But Cook says some tough decisions may be made before the end of the decade.
''You have got the AFL underwriting the competition, basically, that's what is happening,'' he said.
''That's off the back of the five-year broadcast rights that guarantees nine games. Clubs to a large extent have a guarantee for at least five years but [when that expires] where they are located now - that's another issue. You can have your 18 sides but whether everyone stays in the same location is another issue.''
Does he see the day approaching when there will be a forced relocation?
''Over time, maybe. There are probably some crucial trigger dates,'' he said.
''One is the next broadcast rights agreement, whether the AFL will continue to be able to afford to underwrite as many clubs as it can at the moment. We won't know that for five years.
''If the AFL have to choose [a club], it will be interesting who they choose. If they can't underwrite everyone … the AFL may have to pick and choose a bit in terms of what they do.''
North Melbourne, set to begin a three-year contract to play two home matches in Hobart, is adamant this is not the first steps towards relocation. The Kangaroos had originally hoped to broker a deal to play seven matches a season in Launceston and Hobart but that was stymied by Hawthorn, which extended its deal playing home matches in Launceston.
Cook, who presided over a $1 million profit for the Cats last season, said ''cost control'' would be the biggest issue facing administrators.
''The AFL is disequalling distribution in order to make up for that [clubs losing money]. But it is a cost expenditure model that is being promoted in some respects. In trying to reduce the gap between the haves and have-nots, you are actually increasing expenditures to do that. The AFL providing more money to the have-nots is in order for them to catch up so the industry model is very much a cost-expenditure-incentive model which I find a bit intriguing.
''Admittedly, it's balanced up by better management and that is happening all the time. But not everywhere.''
Cook said clubs needed to improve controlling costs and revenue raising.
''Raising revenue is much harder than what people say. The thing about raising revenue is there is this fallacy or belief that you have got to go outside footy to raise more dollars. But none of us are good at it,'' he said.
''I don't know a club that is great at non-core revenue raising. Unless you want to go big on gaming, and that becomes an ethical issue for a lot of clubs, including us, it's not that easy.
''If you can't raise revenue as quickly, you have got to control your expenditures.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... z1kSYFRVmO
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The AFL clubs are in nowhere near as much trouble as the NRL clubs! What did Beaussie say again? Only one club is not in severe financial trouble? (I would guess that would be the Broncos)
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Hahaha, RL clubs have been running off the smell of an oily rag since the SL war, any jump in the next broad cast deal will fix this as the TV money will pay the whole cap instead of part of it like now, the rest in sponsorships and so on will only make them healthier.
RL squads have less players needed for a start, so that means spending less money already.
RL squads have less players needed for a start, so that means spending less money already.
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NSWAFL wrote:The AFL clubs are in nowhere near as much trouble as the NRL clubs! What did Beaussie say again? Only one club is not in severe financial trouble? (I would guess that would be the Broncos)
beaussie is a tosser
14 NRL clubs turned small losses... small
NRL clubs operate off far smaller budgets then AFL clubs ... therefore their losses are ... far smaller
a billion dollar TV deal next year .. will see off every one of those 14 clubs losses
& tight fiscal control will see all of them stay in the black .. if only just
& if this doesn't pan out .. NRL clubs have options .... 7 places that currently don't have an NRL team... want one .. & anyway they can get one
they have futures elsewhere ... not ideal .. but something [-o<
the AFL has no such luxury
apart from Tassie .... who/where is left that even gives a sh.it about AFL let alone wants one of their financial basket case relocated cr@p clubs ?
AFL club expenditure is outta control
these clubs have 2 .. up to 3 times the members .. & average crowds of NRL teams... & up to triple the turnover ..
but can't balance the books ..
I mean .... what the F ?
heading south ..... is the AFL
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Yes certainly worrying times indeed. It does make you wonder what they are doing with their tv deal billion. I heard they're spending a mil or two on trying to promote in china. Going off nsw's links on the current state of play in china I'd say the afls hard earned has gone straight to developing child pornography:lol:
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xman wrote:KE, why is an even comp important?
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Dave, one has to spend to expand. The NRL is a league that doesn't support it's code by taking risks and expanding like it should and taking responsibility. But then they know they don't have the support of the sporting community like the AFL does.
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No, only goes into NZ, North QLD, GC, Canberra, Illawarra, Newcastle, Brisbane, Melbourne, PNG, France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Russia, USA, Canada, Jamaica, Tong, Samoa and so on.
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King-Eliagh wrote:Yes certainly worrying times indeed. It does make you wonder what they are doing with their tv deal billion. I heard they're spending a mil or two on trying to promote in china. Going off nsw's links on the current state of play in china I'd say the afls hard earned has gone straight to kiddy porn
E the AFL's arrogance will be its eventual undoing
1/5 of the next deal will just go to keeping th 2 new clubs operational
this is required only because previous expansion in NSW & QLD ..... failed
the proof ?
the Swans are broke
the Lions in near insolvency
& this is after the AFL spent nearly 300 million buying these 2 sides ....4 premierships & hoping this would stick support onto these clubs
it hasn't
money wasted to a fair degree ...
did the AFL learn anything
nope
round 2 of this flawed philosophy is underway
they get lots of accolades the AFL
undeservedly in my opinion
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The Swans are NOT broke, otherwise that article would have mentioned them! The Lions are NOT in near insolvency, and I am tempted to call BS on that one but I'll just demand evidence instead.
No money has been wasted, as the establishment of the Suns and the Giants proves.
If there are any lessons to be learnt, it's by the NRL.
No money has been wasted, as the establishment of the Suns and the Giants proves.
If there are any lessons to be learnt, it's by the NRL.
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The AFL is .......
Gay?
Gay?
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NSWAFL wrote:Dave, one has to spend to expand. The NRL is a league that doesn't support it's code by taking risks and expanding like it should and taking responsibility. But then they know they don't have the support of the sporting community like the AFL does.
one has to expand when one is ready to
in what possible universe is the AFL ready .. when more then half its clubs can't turn a profit & the 2 new ones will rely on help for decades
I mean
why do you think we haven't expanded
the NRL is not egotistical ... arrogant & full of itself .. like the AFL is
it thinks of the fans of all of its clubs ... unlike the AFL .. who thinks only of its new ones
in 2013 the NRL will have its revenue doubled overnight ... it will secure its clubs financial situations first ... then expand
but with tight controls ... fiscal discipline
it will use existing playing strength ( we have other comps OS to draw on ) to be able to field 2 new sides ... not plunder its own clubs weakening most of them & ruining the quality of the comp
when are the brainwashed supporters in your game going to say
enough
& have a serious debate about the arrogance in your sport & how its destroying your code
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Are you saying those are guys in the skirts, Parra?
Dave, expansion has to be done to survive. Even into debt. It pays off in the long term. That's how business is done these days. Our average attendances are the third biggest in the world, and murdering the NRL's. You lot need to spend and expand or we will swamp you! If you do decided to seriously expand (and I can't see that happening) then, and ONLY then, would there be some issues for the AFL.
Dave, expansion has to be done to survive. Even into debt. It pays off in the long term. That's how business is done these days. Our average attendances are the third biggest in the world, and murdering the NRL's. You lot need to spend and expand or we will swamp you! If you do decided to seriously expand (and I can't see that happening) then, and ONLY then, would there be some issues for the AFL.
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NSWAFL wrote:The Swans are NOT broke, otherwise that article would have mentioned them! The Lions are NOT in near insolvency, and I am tempted to call BS on that one but I'll just demand evidence instead.
No money has been wasted, as the establishment of the Suns and the Giants proves.
If there are any lessons to be learnt, it's by the NRL.
the Swans are stoney
the Lions are even worse having lost 7 Million in the last 3 years
they're struggling
if the money spent so far wasn't wasted .. these clubs would be rolling in profits being the only clubs in whole states
so
why the hell has the AFL diluted the obviously already limited support for giggleball in NSW & QLD ... be introducing 2 more teams there
a slippery slope to oblivion
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your code is implodingNSWAFL wrote:Are you saying those are guys in the skirts, Parra?
Dave, expansion has to be done to survive. Even into debt. It pays off in the long term. That's how business is done these days. Our average attendances are the third biggest in the world, and murdering the NRL's. You lot need to spend and expand or we will swamp you! If you do decided to seriously expand (and I can't see that happening) then, and ONLY then, would there be some issues for the AFL.
& you are an example of how dumb AFL fans are as no sobering realisations will be forthcoming
the AFL have F'ed it delux this time
a sport thats reached its limit
& the only way is down from here
step aside
the dawning of a new jerusalem is here ..... the NRL.. =D> =D> =D> =D>
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