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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:32 pm
Beaussie wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:08 pm
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:03 pm


Not a fucking peep when the afl stadia had hundreds of million spent on them in SYD
A non afl state ..
so that negates your Bullshit argument.

How hard is it to admit you are a hypocrite ..so Is Bea
It's on show in this thread .

What it boils down to is
$$$$$$$ spent on afl stadia ( doesn't matter where ) is not a problem .
$$$$$$$ spent on rectangle stadia ( in a RL .state) .is an issue .
Well it is for fucking hypocrites
You’ve tried spinning that bullshit argument before. No one bought it then and we certainly won’t now. :roll:
Only bullshitter here is you




SCG 197.5 million in 2013-14

Spot the spectator stadium
65 mill

Blacktown
10 mill ....IIRC

So I don't know about you fumblers but that's adds up to hundreds of millions .

& as I said
Not a fucking peep out of you hypocrites .
SCG = Cricket ground that SCG Trust requested upgrade for Ashes.

Spotless Stadium = Sydney Showground that the Royal Agricultural Society requested upgrades for Easter Show, football codes and concerts/events.

Blacktown = fair point, not sure it was $10 million though

So hundreds of millions for the AFL in Sydney? Bullshit. Lying and exposed again. :roll:
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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Fuck off with your shit .
The SCG is the swans home ground
They had nearly 200 mill spent on it .
Where was your outrage there.

Crickets chirping as usual
Lol
Fucking hypocrite
Try to pass it off onto cricket or the show society .
Fact is

the AFL stadia in Syd has had hundreds of million spent on them .
That 100% fact .
Oh here's a news bulletin for you
The rectangle stadia won't just be for Rl
There's soccer RU ..plus any visiting international events .

But that's different isn't it .
If afl share with cricket then that's alright
RL shares with other sports ...you spit the dummy .


So go on show where I'm wrong .
Show where the AFL stadia haven't had hundreds of millions spent on them .
Lol this will be good .
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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NlolRL wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:07 pm
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:03 pm
NlolRL wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:57 pm

Because, as stated above, sports fans in AFL states use their stadia extensively so upgrades were justified based on the priorities of the local populations
Not a fucking peep when the afl stadia had hundreds of million spent on them in SYD
A non afl state ..
so that negates your Bullshit argument.

How hard is it to admit you are a hypocrite ..so Is Bea
It's on show in this thread .

What it boils down to is
$$$$$$$ spent on afl stadia ( doesn't matter where ) is not a problem .
$$$$$$$ spent on rectangle stadia ( in a RL .state) .is an issue .
Well it is for fucking hypocrites
Which AFL stadium in Sydney had hundreds of millions spent on it?
Comprehension not your strong point

Stadia .
Stadia
Stadia
Not stadium .

Although the scg had a touch under 200 mill last upgrade .

Here's a simple question that Bea can't seem to answer .
I've answered yours
You can now answer mine

Is the SCG & spotless the home grounds for AFL teams in Syd ?

That's yes ....

Have they had well in excess of 200 mill spent on them .?????????

Go on you can answer .
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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I just love arguing with fumblefans.

Facts
Comprehension
& commonsense don't seem to be needed on their side
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:53 pm
NlolRL wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:07 pm
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:03 pm


Not a fucking peep when the afl stadia had hundreds of million spent on them in SYD
A non afl state ..
so that negates your Bullshit argument.

How hard is it to admit you are a hypocrite ..so Is Bea
It's on show in this thread .

What it boils down to is
$$$$$$$ spent on afl stadia ( doesn't matter where ) is not a problem .
$$$$$$$ spent on rectangle stadia ( in a RL .state) .is an issue .
Well it is for fucking hypocrites
Which AFL stadium in Sydney had hundreds of millions spent on it?
Comprehension not your strong point

Stadia .
Stadia
Stadia
Not stadium .

Although the scg had a touch under 200 mill last upgrade .

Here's a simple question that Bea can't seem to answer .
I've answered yours
You can now answer mine

Is the SCG & spotless the home grounds for AFL teams in Syd ?

That's yes ....

Have they had well in excess of 200 mill spent on them .?????????

Go on you can answer .
the SCG is well attended by AFL and state and international level cricket...... :)))

Spotless stadium was part funded by the NSW, the AFL, and the RAS. :)))
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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Don't deflect stupid .


Answer the question .
You asked which stadia had hundreds of millions spent on them .
I answered .
Yet now I ask a simple question & you dog it
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:22 pm
Don't deflect stupid .


Answer the question .
You asked which stadia had hundreds of millions spent on them .
I answered .
Yet now I ask a simple question & you dog it
I asked because I know the AFL forked out some hard earned and cricket Australia was also major beneficiary. I just wanted to balance your one-sided comment
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Still deflecting .
Because if you answer it will highlight your hypocrisy .

Usual fumble tactic .
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Any fumbler out there with a set of balls
Any takers to answer a simple question .
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:38 pm
Still deflecting .
Because if you answer it will highlight your hypocrisy .

Usual fumble tactic .
the AFL part funded spotless with the RAS, and the SCG is extensively used by the public all year round for AFL and cricket, so you question is idiotic
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NlolRL wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:45 pm
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:38 pm
Still deflecting .
Because if you answer it will highlight your hypocrisy .

Usual fumble tactic .
the AFL part funded spotless with the RAS, and the SCG is extensively used by the public all year round for AFL and cricket, so you question is idiotic
Next
This ones done
He can't answer a simple question .
Even after I answered his .

Don't bother asking me any questions in future if you don't have the balls to answer mine
You're
Weak as piss .

Oh & your pathetic side argument to deflect from your hypocrisy is null & void
As the new stadia in Sydney will be extensively used all year round for
RL
RU
SOccer
VIsiting international sports
Concerts .



You don't even get one point for that unco effort .
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Re: Exactly why are we spending $2 billion on new stadiums in Sydney?

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AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:47 pm
The SCG is the swans home ground
Yep.
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:47 pm
They had nearly 200 mill spent on it .
Again... funds requested by the SCG Trust, primarily for Cricket. If that was not the case, why was the redevelopment undertaken during the AFL season to have it ready for Cricket/Ashes season?
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:47 pm
Where was your outrage there.
The AFL benefitted from the SCG Trust and Cricket NSW lobbying for Government funding.

The SCG still remains much older than Allianz Stadium with terrible facilities for most of the crowds that attend (much bigger crowds than those attending events at Allianz Stadium too I might add). I attended AFLX at Allianz Stadium a couple weeks ago and was impressed with how quick and easy it was to get food, drinks or use facilities. No massive line ups blocking paths like the terrible layout of the SCG facilities.
AFLcrap1 wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:47 pm
So go on show where I'm wrong .
Show where the AFL stadia haven't had hundreds of millions spent on them .
Can you point out where the AFL specifically requested these "hundreds of millions" you speak of?
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Did I say that you idiot
What the fuck is wrong with you lot
You can't comprehend anything .

I have since this thread was started pointed out the hypocrisy of you lot .
Afl stadia upgraded ...hundreds of millions spent ...no problem
Rectangle stadia not only for RL going to be rebuilt ..you lot get all upset .

Funny how the only ones not seeing the hypocrisy is you pair .
There's been excuse after excuse ..oh we share with cricket ..so fucking what
RL shares with other sports too .

Oh but the upgraded afl stadia gets used extensively all year .

Lol so does the rectangle stadia .


I showed that I was correct ..after you said I wouldn't post .

Simple fact
Afl stadia has hundreds of millions spent in a non heartland area .just as I claimed
That's fine by you
Other codes getting a new rebuild ....in their heartland ..you have a little fit .


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This will be a major NSW election issue and before the leaguies dismiss it as just another FitzSimons article, can any of you address the issues he raises? I’d particularly like to know for instance, how the NRL can suggest there will be twice as many games at Allianz Stadium. Which NRL clubs are moving home games to Allianz Stadium?

Anyone can see there is clearly no case that stacks up for this massive splurge of taxpayers dollars. The Liberal Government will pay a significant price. You can imagine any oppositions slogans now... “no money for hospital, schools or child care and welfare... but billions to build stadiums.”
The Liberals can build their stadiums or win an election, but not both
By Peter FitzSimons
28 February 2018

Ok, let’s go.

On Tuesday, the NSW Opposition Leader Luke Foley announced that if his mob are elected in a year’s time they will launch a Special Commission of Inquiry – with the powers of a Royal Commission – into how on earth the incumbent NSW Government came to the patently absurd decision to knock down and redo the Olympic and Sydney Football Stadiums at a cost of $2.5 Billion – giving a broad $1000 from every household in NSW, to the cause of helping elite money-making sporting businesses.

All this, when there has been no public demand to do anything of the kind; no business case presented; and a plethora of other state responsibilities crying out for exactly that kind of largesse, now denied.

There is a growing stench over the whole thing, and though the Premier and the Sports Minister seemingly remain committed, there are, I can tell you, more and more of the LNP Parliamentarians accepting the reality that your humble correspondent first presented two months ago in these pages: they can do this, or win the next election, but they cannot do both.

So great is the outcry – my petition against the move is now nudging towards 200,000 signatories – so pervasive the probity questions, Foley’s move to have a quasi-Royal Commission is a good one, and should be warmly applauded.

If it please Your Honours, or your Honourable Members, I have some questions I think you should get to the bottom of:

• Can the former Premier, Gladys Berejiklian, please provide the numbers to back up her extraordinary claims at the time over the amazing economic benefits of the stadiums? She first insisted – and her office gave a briefing sheet to parliamentarians to the same effect – that #StadiumSplurge will pay for itself within two years, meaning the new stadiums will have to be making an annual billion dollars EXTRA than they are making now. She then made the lesser, but still absurd claim, that the stadiums make a billion dollars a year right now. These are her stated reasons for spending that kind of public money! With ZERO back-up! (By way of comparison the Herald reported on Monday that when the boffins crunched the numbers on the $5 Billion spent on the new airport at Badgery’s Creek, the hope is it will pay for itself by about . . . 2050.) Someone here, is pulling numbers out of their hat like a 1960s pub chook raffle, and we need to know who!

• Why has the whole thing been done in such secrecy? There is, firstly, palpable resentment from the parliamentarians themselves that this has been driven by a handful of powerful figures in Cabinet, with no consultation with the back-benchers. But, ummm, what about us little folk who are actually paying for it? Can we be let in on it?

• When it comes to the ‘‘secret’’ KPMG business case released on Monday, which purports to show it will break even, can we find out how the numbers turned so favourable to the government so quickly? KPMG suddenly claims a 1.0 benefit/cost ratio. Really? Just two years ago, I am reliably informed, the figure was 0.6. Infrastructure NSW has been clear from the first it will not provide an economic benefit, and a Cabinet Minute on the day the decision was taken last November affirmed the same. Now, suddenly, just when the government needs it, three months later – a miracle! – those numbers were wrong, these numbers are better. Someone needs to have their arse smacked for bodgy numbers, and we will need the Special Commission to get to the bottom of it!

• KPMG – who last made headlines with the NSW Government when the NSW Court of Appeal struck down Kuringai Council’s forced merger with Hornsby Council, because the NSW Government ‘‘kept secret a KPMG report which it relied upon as justification for the merger’’ – also pushed the line that the SFS is in such disrepair it is easier to knock it down and start again, than refurbish it. Again, we need to understand how that situation can have changed so rapidly? Just two years ago, Premier Mike Baird, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres and the CEOS of all four football codes were signed on for refurbishment, smiling for the cameras as the press-releases went out. What the hell has happened in the last two years that it has become such a junk heap? And if it was the SCG Trust responsible for letting such a valuable piece of public infrastructure go to rack and ruin, rust and dust, why weren’t they all sacked?

• KPMG claims the economic benefits for the new SFS rest on it hosting an extra 20 events per year, including twice as many NRL games. Ummm, where do those NRL games come from? If we’re moving them from Leichhardt or Campbelltown or Redfern, don’t those places lose much the same economic benefit that the new SFS will claim?

• KPMG says it will drive up attendance by about 15 per cent. Great.
But given that the SCG Trust made – dot three, carry one, subtract two – $1.4 million profit last year, the increased attendance might take them to $1.7 million at best. Meantime, the Olympic Stadium contributed $2 million in State taxes, on the last available figures.

Gee there’s a long way to go to get the $2.5 billion back, yes?


You get the drift. The whole thing is absurd, and quietly acknowledged as such, even by Members of the NSW Cabinet, even if they haven’t yet broken ranks publicly. (Though one former Lib Minister and current Upper House Member, Matthew Mason-Cox, this week highlighted the outrage of spending this kind of money when Family and Community Services did not have the resources last year to follow up on the cases of 55,000 kids judged at risk.) The numbers don’t add up, and never will.

Which is why, ultimately, the argument most often put in favour of the stadiums is the general, vague, feel-good, ‘‘Don’t you get it, stadiums help the economy!’’ Bullshit they do. That argument is no more than a lame meme. It has been put forward by sports nutters, and demolished by serious economists, all over the world. Google John Oliver and Stadiums, and watch it. Play stadium bingo as you tick off the points he makes – drawing on the expertise of the serious economists – and apply them to this debate.

I repeat.

All. Over. The. World. Exactly the same arguments are put, for exactly the same result. The public always gets saddled with huge debt to build sporting cathedrals the bulk of them never wanted in the first place.

Stop this absurdity, Premier. You’ve always been an honest operator and this is a dishonest disaster in the making. Stop it.

And if you don’t, I respectfully submit, you will have a lot of explaining to do before the Special Commission of Inquiry.

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Bhaaa
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